08 April 2019

Ketosis Diet - What Happens When You Eat High Protein on Ketosis Diet?

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which is a good way to talk about one of your recent experiments with Jimmy more about like consuming high amounts of protein so can you tell us like yeah why did you do it and what what were the results yeah yeah we've got a lot of backlash for for doing it but so basically so Jimmy Moore and I are doing a podcast called the Q hacking md podcast and what we're trying to show is that a ketogenic lifestyle is extremely important it's a basis for pretty much everything but if you just do nutrition in a bubble and you don't start addressing other things in life that modern life that are affecting us like sleep stress reduction exercise that you're probably gonna stall and not have the the degree of success that you're looking for so one of the experiments that we did was a three to one protein to fat ratio so dr. Ted Nieman sometimes will recommend for a short period of time for his patients to do this kind of diet where you're basically trying to increase metabolism and lose you know body fat and so we wanted to test this theory because in the keto world right now there is this question of it is protein or fat really the predominant

macronutrient that causes satiety and one of the things that we've noticed is that with the advent of mcg oils and a lot of these shakes people are starting to down you know high levels of fat calories in liquid form and yeah they're getting ketones from MCT but is that actually really healthy and are they going to lose weight which is a lot of what people do Keogh for and so we wanted to see okay does protein cost Society is there a negative outcome from doing a very high protein diet so the three grams to one gram protein to fat ratio and we basically eliminated carbohydrates to try to you know get rid of that confounding variable in his protocol he does recommend 30 grams of carbohydrates so Jimmy Moore is on one scale you know still struggling with some weight loss does have some insulin resistance and then um and a very low body fat percentage and no more insulin resistance and so we wanted to see the different rain what the response would be so and we documented this with blood ketone levels and a freestyle Libre Flash glucose monitor so it's not continuous you have to put the monitor over it but I'm so

see that I checked that every like two minutes so I had a pretty good documentation and before we started I did a body impedance analysis so I have a machine that does basically body fat percentage lean muscle mass water weight and so my body fat percentage was about eight percent so I was very key to adapted my initial ketone levels were very high in the fours and my glucose usually ranges about 60 fasting in the morning so what I had noticed personally was that consuming that much protein which for me it was about 195 grams and no fat essentially or very little fat about 60 grams of fat I had precipitous drop in my ketones my glucose levels started going up and I felt really bad and so I tell the story that before I became keto adapted I would eat a meal post me I would have a hypoglycemic episode I would have that post prandial stupor I would feel horrible and then I would be hungry 30 minutes later which was classic right since being keto for you know 13 years I do not get that experience anymore I do not get that most Brandel stupor and so when I started eating this way again that's what happened I started feeling kind of

full banana in the full sense where I feel keto adapted and I'm just at a good energy level I had that kind of you know heavy stomach and then afterwards I would feel hungry thirty minutes later and my appetite level actually increased so I was hungry more frequently and I was starting to think about food again so I went to seven days did added some lean body mass about one more than a half pounds and did drop a little bit in terms of fat mass although there is some variable degree of uncertainty with the test whether or not I actually did that I don't know but I felt like I had more muscle mass but the takeaway from me was that I didn't like the way I felt again so I didn't like feeling like I was always thinking about food I was always hungry or having that postprandial stupor Jimmy on the other hand had a much different experience where he became hypoglycemic very quickly and symptomatic from it with his blood glucose in the 50s still maintaining ketones in the 1 to 1.5 range he had to eat much higher levels of protein because of his lean body mass he is 6 3 and he's a bigger guy but he had a pretty bad experience and so I think

what we were trying to show is that doing high high protein may not be a very safe thing if you have insulin resistance and possible hookah GaN resistance as well yeah I think it's I think like the reason why you experience this hypoglycemia and hungriness is that you kind of kick yourself out of ketosis with consuming that much protein and that's going to trigger your body to go over into the sugar burning mode again and because you're eating like zero zero carbs and little to no fat yep then your body doesn't have access to any energy and basically that's going to cause like maybe even like muscle catabolism in some cases our Glee yeah and you get almost it's you know it's called rabbit starvation right so the old kind of hunter-gatherers knew this that if they just ate protein by itself high levels of protein then they would feel bad tired but as soon as they started implementing fat into their diet and if you do a one to one ratio which is essentially ketogenic then that's that's a different story and you could probably consume a higher level of protein without having the impact like you know I had or Jimmy had and that's one of the

things that I think is not talked about enough is that the hunter-gatherer society they would eat mostly you know the organ meats they would eat the liver the adrenal glands the tongue the the parts of the animal that had the heart that had a lot of fat and and you know the lean muscle they would throw it to the dogs so the it's important to have this ratio where you need fat you need fat for you know hormone production and for your brain for every function in the body but you also do need some protein and I think my takeaway from it the positive takeaway was that I've increased my protein intake a little bit I was probably under doing it stuff yeah yeah I think like there is AG fear among sceeto people that don't eat too much protein because of gluconeogenesis right things of that but in reality it's not like a strict line where you if you surpass it even by an inch you're gonna get kicked out of ketosis there's like quite a big buffer zone in the sense I could imagine you could consume like in your in your example you what you're saying you consume like 190 grams of protein every

day so I would suggest like maybe if you stay around 170 and 180 you can safely be always in this keto state all the time still yeah yeah and I think you know obviously taking into account you know exercise you know activity level how much fat you're consuming you know I do a BMR so I know kind of my basic metabolic rate around what it is I'm not trying to lose weight I'm trying to maintain where I'm at so I I can get into a situation where I can calculate exactly how much I probably can consume I've done this for so long that I don't need to calculate and part of what I really like about it is that I know exactly what works for me so I don't have to sit there and do my macros and calculate unless I'm doing an experiment where then I kind of want a document okay this is what's happening this is what I'm in you know consuming so that people understand okay this is what has changed but yeah I think protein and it's still debated in the internet circles and I think we're probably overdoing in terms of how much debate we're doing I think consume protein you know don't do 300 grams of protein there's really no need for it protein is

not your enemy you know as long as you're consuming healthy fats with it I think it's much more healthier and much more effective to be focusing on eating these fattier chunks of meat and other other animal sources rather than putting on extra MCT oil and extra butter on top of all of the foods because yeahit's promotes other you know metabolic pathways that are associated with health and lower body fat and i think of that yeah and i think that's kind of part of what's what i mentioned earlier where with the you know really push for mcg products bulletproof coffee in all these products which i'll be the first to say I have some MCT oil in my morning coffee right now I'm doing more of a matcha tea because I'm trying to get the itzhak students but you know you can have a little bit just still make that your primary source of nutrition and then skip on the protein because you want to stay in ketosis I think that's what we're seeing and especially when you have Ito becoming so popular a lot of products coming to market and that's the danger and so I can understand from the protein camp of the guys like keto gains and who are promoting you know

more of a one to one diet that you know you need to have protein don't skip out on the protein and you see and also in the carnivore diet that people are really starting to gravitate towards too because that's essentially what they're doing right they're doing one to one ratio fatty chunks of meat getting the the quality of me the other thing I'd like to say just on in terms of oils is that for fats is that you know we've been telling people that saturated fats are extremely dangerous but we have to be careful now that we don't just do mcg based oils as our own source of fat we need to have a wide range of you know saturated polyunsaturated and unsaturated fats hmm yeah and I feel like there's definitely a lot of confirmation bias in in all camps of this discussion like especially like the carnivore diets they're definitely kind of very oh yeah we're gonna we can eat a lot of more protein and we can eat more meat and stuff like that or you need only a certain amount of protein every day and any excess doesn't doesn't benefit you that much so pretty rocks correct and and then you know the flipside is what about mTOR activation

you know is there an issue in terms of longevity what about you know from ecological standpoint are we going to be consuming so much me that it's becoming you know detriment to our environment so I personally I'm not opposed to people saying I want to do carnivore versus a Western diet if you had to choose between the two carnivore hands-down yeah for me personally I like a variety of foods so I like to have other foods in my diet and so it's eating meat only me for the rest of my life I don't think I would like to do them and I also like to think that implementing these different plants and herbs and vegetables they have like a much more net positive effect on your longevity and your gut microbiome and things of that right but you know making you're making your metabolism more robust as well yeah and there are you know quite a bit of studies in terms of the gut microbe that you know having healthy carbohydrates healthy fiber is essential for them to survive and thrive you know people say well I'll just take a probiotic and that'll be the answer and and the reality is most probiotics are just four strains and but I tend to

get to the colon which is where you need them they're all dead anyways because of the stomach acid and the transition there are some newer kind of products that are coming to the market that are much higher concentration and they seem to have some benefit in terms of populating the colon but I would rather do it from a natural source of you know healthy carbohydrates like greens vegetables asparagus things like that where you get more of the micronutrients as well which are essential yeah I totally agree and you get them in a more balanced the ratios as well and I'm gonna go away and yeah and I think you know you really want to go back to eating eating real food right or not processed not trying to hit your macros so you avoid carbohydrates completely you know obviously you stay away from the refined products and and grains and you know legumes and stuff like that but real food is is where it's at you know you can get rid of 90% of your liver and still function if you get rid of one more percent you have full-blown liver failure and you've done a lot of people do not understand that being in ketosis doesn't

necessarily mean that you're going to lose fat why is our insulin elevated why is our glucose elevate we're just treating the number and that I think we need to get away from and we need to start focusing on the underlying cause which everything that you and I have talked about on this podcast if you think about it a lot of theories that are discounted in the past and the medical community come back around you know 50 100 200 years later and for some reason we realized oh you know what that guy who was saying this was actually right the monks used to go and meditate and reach nirvana well I'm assuming probably some of that nirvana is because they were deep ketosis they weren't eating